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Duration: 07:14 minutes Upload Time: 2007-11-23 06:39:17 User: pyrrho314 :::: Favorites :::: Top Videos of Day |
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Description: which is more fundamental, concepts of will or concepts of the material world? This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License |
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| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-28 09:13:05 Maybe you're on to something here though - even if the material is some sort of illusion you have to ask questions about whether the perceiver consciously or unconsciously wills that illusion or perception. Indeed what is willing or directing or creating are profound questions. __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-28 09:03:57 these comments are spose to go down there following Pyrro's comments but I fucked up and didn't do it as a response. Anyway, so I see that that's how you got that hierarchy- material as determining wil vs. will determining theory of material, on a hierarchy of fundamentality. But is it the "will to create a theory" you're talking about? __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-28 08:55:58 I think I see your thought line now. you got into a big discussion about whether there's anything personally volitional or if it can all be reduced to some complex physics "making us do what we seemingly choose to do"( I was vaguely aware of those vids but I didn't really watch them). T __________________________________________________ | |
| nonverbis ::: Favorites 2007-11-27 21:23:16 That was very Descartes-esque. I enjoyed it very much. __________________________________________________ | |
| pyrrho314 ::: Favorites 2007-11-27 15:06:59 will: material and will are not opposed at all. I chose these two terms because in a theory of physics, materialism is fundamental... but really, this theory of materialism is based on the will and sense expeirence, so to us, it is more fundamental. I think it's common to think will is secondary after creating a theory that explains will materially, but that misses the genesis of the theory of the material in the first place. __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-27 07:38:37 Dream's done, we're all one, so come on, let's have fun! [forgive corniness]. __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-27 07:07:09 Ha dig that - there ya go! __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-27 07:02:28 That mind is not your ego mind but only appears to be. in fact "you" are not an ego but only appear to be. hahaha, put that in yer pipe and smoke it! And while you're at it get this rhythm and this tune - a big totality (don't insult it by calling it a singularity) getting lost in its own thinking dreaming of endless fragmented worlds, only to wake up again and realize what and where it is. And by then the dream's gone. Cool song. __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-27 06:56:34 Sorry for talking so much I woke up early here. But its ok to philosophize but its all provisional. This, in my opinion, has to be understood in order to contextualize rightly. what's "REALLY HAPPENING" is that our minds are creating systems which are divisions of all sorts. The seeming objectivity of certain elements are only deeper and progressively less ego - cosncious divisions created by that same mind. __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-27 06:42:17 So "Will" and "Material" are terms that aren't really opposed nor are they part of a hierarchy. In fact I'm not quite sure why you even chose those two terms. It seems like "mental" and "material" would be a more natural pair. Then you could also have the "volitional" and the "non volitional." But really its a hugely fundamental point that the "discriminating mind" is associated with "illusion" and the "realization of oneness" associated with awakening and truth. __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-27 06:33:29 I can't help thinking though that you've got some fairly arbitrary terms in this video which is basically an inequality (i.e. the vid is saying will not equal to phys world). This is a very basic point - schemas such as this are hierarchies of realness and are very suspect. I know philosphers get mad at this but the very definition of illusion in most transcendental systems is the perception of duality where none actually exists. __________________________________________________ | |
| jogayot ::: Favorites 2007-11-24 08:34:33 hunh? hunh? __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-24 06:49:15 Interesting dicussion. I hadn't quite thought of it that way - that the will is more primary or fundamental than the possibly errant perception of the physical world. __________________________________________________ | |
| Will1471987 ::: Favorites 2007-11-24 06:21:36 hunh? __________________________________________________ | |
| TyroneSandalphon ::: Favorites 2007-11-23 23:08:01 People Get Ready! __________________________________________________ | |
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